I was told by many reliable sources that the military would refuse flagrantly illegal orders.

Yet, here we are

It should be made clear to everyone from Hegseth to the man or woman pulling the trigger that these murders are illegal, murder has not statute of limitations and everyone WILL be held accountable.

I'm a borderline Hall of Fame troll, Alexandrite. I easily elicit multiple responses with a single post. And it doesn't take any effort.
#27 | Posted by BellRinger at 2025-04-06 05:42 PM

Jeff forgot

The Catholic Church
Amway
YMCA
Most High School newspapers
ASPCA

and the local lemonade stand conglomerate

People have spotted the propaganda and no longer trust the MSM. They did it to themselves.

#59 | Posted by BellRinger

Then you could post some facts or strongly sourced conjecture to this as opposed to the sustained damage caused by the right wing media swamp that started with the death of the fairness doctrine and birthed by Rush Limbaugh and Fox news

Not individual acts of failed biased journalism, the sustained effort that was propaganda.

Because Fox News is the definition of propaganda.

As I posted way above, people live in 2 different worlds-the rightwing media swamp and reality

yes jeff, reality and thus "left wing" media is biased, to reality

"Journalists have become left wing activists."

Meanwhile the Piggy administration is staffed with Fox News hosts and Fox coordinates messaging with the WH

The level if ridiculousness in jeff's posts is beyond calculation.

Lol

Everything out of this administration is a lie

Part of the problem is that right-wing propaganda has overtaken this country.

Serious public debates or discussions have to start from a place of constantly correcting the lies and misinformation, disinformation, propaganda and distortions that emanate from the right-wing swamp on a constant basis.

YES, the left has a similar yet INFINITELY small problem with this and I would argue that their "propaganda" is within what should be a normal public discourse.

What should be a public discourse on issues, a debate between liberal and conservative views has to start with and expend most of its energy on refuting the constant pile of BS coming from the right.

There are, without a doubt, legitimate positions that conservatives hold and can and should be honestly considered. But when the starting position for ANY topic is the lie of the day by President Piggy or the dishonest propaganda spewed by Fox or OANN or a host of right wing "influencers" combined with the confusion of "news" and "opinion" that is a recipe for disaster and the destruction of journalism.

At best left leaning news organizations must be louder to become part of the discourse, louder being more extreme or more "edgy" to get clicks.

It is difficult to have a public discourse when basic reality is not agreed upon. Right-wing media and the neo fascist republican party has successfully called into question actual reality (at least for a substantial portion of the populace).

And it is extremely corrosive. I have otherwise practical and intelligent people posting memes about celebrities eating ------- babies and when called out about it say "Maybe, anything is possible" No, it is not possible. When average Americans lack the critical thinking skills that is a problem.

This is the only point that can actually be construed as a criticism of those within the MSM. What's glaringly missing is any criticism of the biased way in which the MSM covers the news or their sharp drop in basic journalistic standards. The very things that have caused own ongoing erosion in trust.

#39 | Posted by BellRinger

The death of journalistic standards is due to

1. The death of the fairness doctrine-which allowed the propaganda of right-wing neo-fascists to be spewed endlessly.
2. Change in economic foundation of media organizations forcing the news arms of many outlets to become profit center, or the massive reduction in subscriptions to news entities or the atomization of the customer base due to the internet.
3. The dumbing down of the American populace.

The only blame that can be truly assigned to the journalists themselves is the inability to counter the lies, misinformation, disinformation and propaganda spewed by the right-wing media system enabled by online trolls.

There has ALWAYS been bias in the news. Journalists today have to fight a far more powerful anti-knowledge neo-fascist propaganda machine to get the attention of morons over the efforts of scum and trolls.

Journalists have a bias to reality.

Are they perfect? No, but the damage is cause infinitely more by the anti-reality neo fascists than any supposed left-wing bias.

Jeff is a self-admitted troll that bemoans the loss of reputation by journalism

The hypocrisy (the lack of self-awareness) is something to behold if you think about it.

Just a fact or 2

Fox lied about the 2020 election being stolen including the Fulton Co. GA election office

Fox KNOWINGLY lied

Guiliani lost a liable suit to the tune of millions of dollars for workers at the Fulton Co. GA election office.

Fox had to pay 3/4 billion dollars to the voting machine company because of the lies

5+ years on President Piggy is raiding Fulton Co. election offices over those exact same lies.

Yet, here we are, those lies still get play, still are spewed by the right wing media apparatus

Yet all media are painted with this broad brush of disreputation.

Yet it is not the NBC or the NYT or CNN which is the root problem it is Fox and Piggy and the rest of the right wing media swamp

hey jeff have you read the National Review's take on Piggy's corruption?

It is like Piggy's corruption. yes both sides have a problem yet the right wing is FAR FAR FAR worse, by orders of magnitude

Did you take a class on how to come up with absurd and ridiculous false equivalencies?

#31 | Posted by BellRinger

Actually, it is spot on.

Modern journalism is in a death spiral (or more accurately in the midst of a colossal upheaval.

Numerous market factors are reducing the income for news agencies undermining their ability to perform actual journalism.

A decades long propaganda effort and a constant spew of lies from Piggy on down to Jeffj are undermining the credibility of journalists

Modern news agencies are often forced to cater (to remain economically feasible) to the lowest common denominator for click bait or to express apparent fairness between reality and the right wing insanity (instead of just calling lies lies-or be criticized as biased) or switching to an editorial based news program

The fact of the matter is most legitimate news agencies are expressing reality and continue to report facts. It is the onslaught of lies from Piggy to Jeff that get a more and more fractured audience incapable of critical thinking that have caused the reputational damage

My biggest criticism of them is that they have not found a viable counter to the constant lies and misinformation and disinformation and lies and propaganda spewed at them on a minute by minute basis.

Did you read Twoothy's post? Not one point places any blame on members of the MSM for their cratering reputation.

#28 | Posted by BellRinger

Liar

1. Rise of Fox News and its rightwing propaganda (Fox News is MSM)
2. Social Media (MSM participates in social media)
3. Rise of President Piggy and his direct assault on journalism
4. Consolidation of news companies (Consolidation of MSM has impacted perception of MSM)
5. Prioritization of profit by news organizations (news organizations IS MSM)
6. Assault on the fact-based reality by the right wing
7. The inability of left leaning media organizations to counter right wing lies and misinformation (Failure of left leaning MSM)
8. Conservative assault on the mythological "woke" agenda
9. Promotion of cancel culture by the right wing (and admittedly to a lesser extent the left)
10. Killing of the fairness doctrine
11. Undermining of the FCC by conservatives in the name of the "free market"

So, 5 of the 11 points are, to one extent or another, criticisms and placing blame on MSM

You're just a liar, like always.

Causes of the lowering of trust in the media

1. Rise of Fox News and its rightwing propaganda
2. Social Media
3. Rise of President Piggy and his direct assault on journalism
4. Consolidation of news companies
5. Prioritization of profit by news organizations
6. Assault on the fact-based reality by the right wing
7. The inability of left leaning media organizations to counter right wing lies and misinformation
8. Conservative assault on the mythological "woke" agenda
9. Promotion of cancel culture by the right wing (and admittedly to a lesser extent the left)
10. Killing of the fairness doctrine
11. Undermining of the FCC by conservatives in the name of the "free market"

these are just a few off the top of my head.

Jeff remains a ----

Reposted for truth.

#49 | Posted by Alexandrite

What makes you think I needed that reposted?

:O)

Didn't boaz already leave the site to set up his own site?

All you people want is Trump, trump trump...all the time.
And I understand why. You are realizing someone else thinks differently than you do and you have to share this country with them. I know it scares you.
But I dont give a ----.

#28 | Posted by boaz

You'll have to forgive the confusion given the first thing you posted was:

One thing is apparent, he hated Trump.

#1 | Posted by boaz

So, it appeared to gentle readers that you were positing that Epstein hated Piggy.

You expected people to read your mind that you wanted to discuss Clinton or how the rich interact with each other.

I am more than happy to discuss those topics.

Clinton? That is easy if there is evidence or a whiff of wrongdoing he should be ostracized from society.

As for the way rich people interact, I encourage you to consider the communist party or at least the Socialist-Democrat party. You will find people who have spent their lives decrying the disgusting behavior of the wealthy. Count me as one of them, the type of wealth held by the 1% is obscene, it breeds a callous disregard for law or basic morality because they are untouchable. You think Elon Musk would ever be held accountable for anything? The utter depravity of this group of people is disgusting. You and I appear to agree on that.

Next logical step is to strip them of their wealth, break up their companies, distribute their money to the masses.

Truth,
I expect nothing less from this site.
#68 | Posted by BillJohnson

I am going to make note that your refused to answer my questions.

Seriously what conversation is there to be had over this?

I'm starting to realize there's no real conversation to be had with people on this site.

#19 | Posted by boaz

I'm actually curious.

What conversation on this is there to be had?

You understand that most of the posters around here know far more about the Epstein-Piggy relationship than you do apparently.

Piggy and Epstein were best of best friends for decades.

There was a falling out-variously reported over a real estate deal or if you believe Piggy Epstein was poaching young girls from mar a lago (literally he argued that)

It was reported that the falling out happened in the early 00s. That appears to be a lie as Piggy was inviting Epstein over for Thanksgiving.

At some point there was a falling out, over what?

When?

But yes at some point Epstein hated Piggy.

What does that have to do with anything? You think that makes Piggy any less a pedo?

BILL has the alcoholic's power of denial. He's never going to let himself look at what he knows.

#63 | Posted by Zed

Bill is either a troll or a really really bad person.

A gay Venezuelan hairdresser who fled Venezuela escaping persecution, who came here legally
#51 | Posted by truthhurts
BillJohnson will simply never address this.
He knows he can't.
So he takes a pass.

#61 | Posted by snoofy

One of the numerous daily assaults on our sanity, yet magat scum seem to just ignore it all.